Quote from Jakg :

9800GTX = Fettled G92 Core = Re-badged, tweaked 8800GTS 512 IMO.

Oh that

Yeah...

Quote from bbman :

Do you leave your monitor on standby when your PC is turned off? I had the same problem for a short time - I had to turn the PC/monitor on in a specific order or I wouldn't have an image... It went away, and to this day I don't know what the problem was...

Yeah I do.... Presumably the monitor fires up when it detects a signal from the VC

Quote from Shotglass :

im pretty sure its not the psu:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3175&p=7

so you dont get anything at all on screen? no bios post no nothing?

Didn't check the link yet, will in a sec.

But no, I get ZERO - but I know that the machine is booting up and running fine; I just can't see it

edit: before anyone asks, I know that because I can watch the disk access and I can tell when it's at the windows logon screen. Disk access (comparatively :razz stops and I can use the "sleep" button on the computer to put it into suspend; which does not work if the OS is not loaded.

Last edited by Ball Bearing Turbo, Mon 12 May 2008, 02:38.

It's a Dualcore AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+.

The 8800GTS 512 wasn't really rebadged, it was the G92 core not the G80. I guess rebadged in the sense that they reused that moniker since with the G92 version it wound up where is was supposed to in their line up.

See, going to a 4 12V rail PSU at 18A each just CAN'T be un upgrade from a 2 12V x 22A PSU, even though it's 600W compared to 485W from my understanding.

This sucks, I'm just confused; this PSU really should be OK but maybe it's not. It can't be the PCIE slot version because it worked for a night... ARGH.

LOL.

Ok, well, my current PSU despite being only 485W has 2 12v rails at 22A each. Which was the reason I got it over the 500W units at the time since total watts doesn't really matter as much as what current it can deliver on +12s for GPUs.

IE, there is a 600W PSU I could buy tomorrow but it has 4x 18A +12 rails which does me no good, and from my understanding wouldn't power my GPU as well as my "wimpy" 485W unit. The 8800 card said:

> 425W PCI Express-compliant system power supply with a combined 12V current rating of 28A or more (Minimum system power requirement based on a standard PC configured with an Intel® Core™2 Extreme X6800 processor)

Why it's concerned about a combined 12V rating I don't know, but it would've had 44A worth combined with my PSU.

The 9800 card states:

- Minimum of a 450 Watt power supply. (Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 24 Amp Amps.)

That better not be on one rail, because nothing I've even seen so far has 24 or more amps on one rail. And what the hell is an "Amp Amp"?

After reading this...
http://www.techjamaica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52054
WTF? Who are these highend cards designed for? I don't get it.

IN any event, from my understanding this PSU should've been more than enough to run that 8800... Am I wrong? Please tell me yes, and preferably tell me that I can just use a 600W power supply and put my head in the sand, and my PC will boot with a 9800GTX actually showing me something on the screen.. bah...

Quote from spankmeyer :

You must send it to me for further analysis!

LOL, if you'd asked yesterday I probably would've sent the whole thing to you postage paid. There was colourful profanity involved yesterday.

Quote from Jakg :

The only way you can find out is Google - To run a PCI-e 2 card you need a PCI-e 16x 1.1 lane or better - some mobo's (specifically a VIAKT800 chipset & cheap-o 915/925 Intel chipsets) run 1.0's which wont work.

I'll keep looking. I guess it must be 1.1 because it ran the first card for awhile.

Quote :

I asked about HDD's as when you boot up they all use the max power spinning up - on some PC's with lots of HDD's this can be crippling (expensive RAID cards will stagger spin-ups for this very reason)

AH, ok, well that makes sense. When I had installed the first card I had three hard drives installed, 1 SATA and two regular old PATA drives which I ditched yesterday. So that could've caused a problem!

Quote :

BTW - There is no "low power light" (that i'm aware of) - the only thing on the card that will show you anything besides the port on the back is the onboard speaker (on all 8800/9800 cards iirc) that shrieks when you don't put all the power plugs in.

On this card there is a light according to the tech support. Indeed, when I forgot to plug in the 6 pin during my 400 swap outs yesterday, I was aquainted quite frighteningly with that shreik on the 8800 cards. I thought there as a banshee in the PC causing these problems. On the 9800 GTX (at least on the eVGA version) apparantly there's an LED near the front of the heatsink. It doesn't light up.

Quote from h3adbang3r :

This also applies if everything is plugged in to the card, but it's simply not getting enough amperage. Ball, I'd suggest finding a new PSU if you want to keep your 8800/9800.

I'm leaning that direction....

Quote from P5YcHoM4N :

Ball, PSUs fry in different ways, I've had one that just popped its clogs and couldn't even turn over my system fans, I've had another that would only boot if I under clocked my CPU to about half speed, and one that would only boot if I either removed a stick of ram or a HDD.

Point is different PSUs will go in different ways, and I still maintain that is your problem, so swop it to one with more balls and I'll put a pint on the fact that will fix it.

Hm, interesting. I guess you might just be right.

I've also seen folks on the web that had no problems running PCIE2 cards on this motherboard... I guess I need ANOTHER new power supply. They should just supply them when you buy current high end cars, if that's what this is then that's the 2nd vidcard in a row that I've had to upgrade a PSU for :gnasher:

Quote from arco :

Do a "restore setup defaults" in bios, just to be sure every thing is ok there. I had to do that in one of the latest bios updates for my Asus M2N board, or else it would just bluescreen on Windows boot, or even freeze the computer when staying in bios for more than 30 seconds.

When I flashed the BIOS it was set to restore defaults. Unfortunately the intelligently designed ASUS update program bastardized one of my drives (at the time there was 3 remember) MBRs and I could not boot without using a bootable CD... If I just had the CD I could boot from the hard drive, but if no CD was present the machine would not boot (BOOT FAILURE INSERT SYSTEM DISK)... Which was why I spend yesterday ditching the older drives and reformatting this one and installing Vista etc... But I digress. BIOS is the newest version.

I have one SATA hard drive.

I would think that if I fried the PSU that it wouldn't run this 7900 anymore either, but who knows. Even the 9800, with it's dual 6 pins connectors isn't showing me the "not enough power light" when I boot, and the fan still runs on the card etc so it's not totally shut down.

Yeah I know the card is overkill but even the 8800 made a big difference at the time and it's not much slow at all (apparantly) than this 9800. I can't upgrade the whole thing at once so I thought I'd get a vidcard first. What else do you want to know?

2GB ram (still PC3200 IIRC :P), S939 A64X2 4200+, one SATA hard drive, one DVDRAM drive... that's it.

Power supply is an Enermax Noisetaker II 485W, card says 450W is recommended (550 in SLI), so whilst I would just go get another PSU if that was the issue I just wonder because everything runs fine on the 7900GTX card; using that same 6 pin connector etc. I even think the recommendations were the same as far as what power this card wanted (450W, could be wrong. I know for sure I had to upgrade to use this card though.)

Thanks for the replies!

edit: how can I find out if the PCI-E slot is 1.1 (or 1.1a)? CPU-Z doesn't tell me, and the specs I can find on the web for the old board don't show...

Long story - and I just don't get it:

Friday night I picked up a BFG 8800GTS OC 512MB. Filled with glee I installed it and had a great time with it.

The next morning I went to fire up the PC and had no display whatsoever. After some whining I was able to discern that the system was infact booting, I merely could not see anything.

edit: To be clear - my monitor is not coming out of standby while the system is continuing on it's merry way. The monitor knows it's plugged into the card because it does not give me the "check cable message" that it does when I unplug it from the card. But it's not receiving a signal from the card, or at least doesn't think it is.

Reinstalled my 7900GTX, worked fine. Ok, defective card right? So I returned it and exchange it for a new one. Same thing. No POST errors (that I can hear), system would boot but I could not see anything. When the first 8800 was working fine, when I booted my PC up the fan would come on for a second and then slow down, but when this "issue" began the fan merely stayed on full blast without slowing down.

Called BFG Tech, he suggested a BIOS upgrade, which I did (and which caused a serious problem and had me reintalling the OS etc etc). No avail, card still acts the same. I was running XP Pro, and when that went South during the BIOS upgrade I figured what a prime opportunity to format and install this fresh copy of Vista.

I put the 7900GTX back in, and figured well, fine I'll just get an eVGA card instead. This morning the 8800GTS (G92) was out of stock for eVGA, so I figured I might as well get a 9800GTX, woohaa. As you can probably guess by now... I get the exact same thing with the 9800 card . eVGA man was scratching his head as well. He has suggested that possibly it's a slot incompatibility (mine is not PCIe 2, but the cards are supposed to be backwards compatible), both cards were PCIe 2... if that's the issue why on Earth did it work perfect for the first night?

Motherboard: Asus A8N-E
Power Supply: Enermax 485W (neither card indicated not enough power)

Ideas? Solutions? Perhaps a hypothesis?

Stupid computers.

Last edited by Ball Bearing Turbo, Mon 12 May 2008, 16:05.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I hadn't realised that third-party opinions were now considered facts - sorry.

scroooo yoooooo!

(j/k)

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Oh, you don't need to tell me.

:shhh:

edit: pretty sure you've been misinformed re: at least one of your statements in that post, though.

Most thing are subjective, tires and netcode really isn't I don't think.

Quote from Intrepid :

If iRacing is too realistic surely it's only going to be advertising to a few hardcore simmers, and that won't be enough to satisfy their need regarding income.

If you'd spent the large market research budget I might be inclined to beleive you. We have no idea what their financial goals are anyway in terms of payback etc

Quote from The Moose :

I know three people testing and none of them are paying for it.
The e-mail inviting me to beta testing didn't mention payment.
Is paying to beta test a good thing?

Quite frankly i don't believe it. I'm not sure your in the right circles tbh.

That's the point, I was saying that I didn't know anyone paying for it. Or were you talking to Hyper?\

edit: nevermind, I read back and noticed that I thought the word "paying" was "playing" in my post above - I'll go and fix that.

Quote from The Moose :

No ones paying for the Beta. Where did you get that idea from?

Actually, lots of people are - I guess you're just not in the right circles
edit: I thought he said "playing", not "paying"

Last I heard was a 45+ player race that had ZERO lag / warping (!!!), of which 12 players finished and my source finished 7th. Last I also heard was that the tires were night unto perfect at first glance, and the graphics were very very good. It is in fact beginning to look like 5 years of millions of dollars with the right focus does in fact make a difference.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Ah, rumors.

Indeed, but people playing the thing isn't rumours; it's fact.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

IMHO given sim-racing's multiplayer nature, a lot of the product's value is in its userbase. If the pricing turns off most racers then the product itself becomes devalued, regardless of how good it is........Maybe it will sustain itself on oval fans (given what a killer sim they all thought NR2003 was [I've never tried it myself and I'm not an oval fan]), but I think with the launch content they've got and the money they're asking it might turn out to be a very difficult sell to the wider market.

Heh, might seem so, and might be. Remains to be seen. All I've heard so far, even from the eurofellows is that they love Leguna Seca and that the tires are night unto perfect, the sounds are great even being sample, the graphics are great and the netcode is unheard of. You take your suspicion, and I'll take my informed facts from testing . No offence intended, I'm just stated facts.

Last edited by Ball Bearing Turbo, Sat 10 May 2008, 19:57.

LOL, I'm unaware of anyone paying for Beta, but who knows.

Hyper, I don't get what you're on about? And why you seem to be pissed off and using lots of sarcastic winks?

^^ what he said. I'm just getting more excited, not less!

Quote from The Moose :

Several as in a couple of hundred dollars +

Whatever per month +tracks ($15-$25 a pop) and cars ($15 each)

Yes I suppose that's true if you're looking to get all of the content right off the bat, which isn't necessary to get started though.

Quote from The Moose :

Not at all, i want it to be the best thing ever in sim racing.
But for the price they are charging it needs to be.

From what I'm hearing so far (and yes, I'm fully aware its only in Beta ) it doesn't justify the price. That's not to say its bad at all, it's just not got the WOW factor that justifies shelling out several hundred dollars a year. YET

Fair enough.

...

Several hundred? 1.5 hundreds in Canada, so that should be about 10 pounds stirling or so?

Quote from petrewitz :

LSD matrix.

I think I was there about 10 years ago

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Jeff, if you pay my subscription for a year, I'll play it. I just don't want to haffto take a mortgage out on a freaking laptop to pay for it

Typical British Columbian!

Quote from The Moose :

(btw, latest leaking news. The physics are "quite good", the FF is "okay" and the web browser interface is "the crappiest way of doing things" according to my source. Those of you who know someone involved in testing please let us hear their thoughts so far.)

Hm I think I have a LFSF valid argument: "It still in Beta!"

On a serious note though, I have heard very good things so far except for some interface bugs that need working out. One of the resident physics gurus "can't find anything wrong" with the tyre physics so far.

But Stu won't like iRacing no matter what because it's (more) expensive than anything else

Quote from th84 :

Again, says the Canadian!

wut u meens?

hmm, I find it disturbing that you advertize the fact that you're equipped with tits on the internet....

Quote from petercollins :

5. I despise soaps and think they should be banned for being mindless

I agree. Bodywash and a luffa is the way to go!

Quit spam moderating your own thread!

1) I'm obsessed with turbochargers, and sometimes make turbocharger sounds when driving my wimpy NA car. Windows up of course. Turbochargers are engineering goodness and just plain brilliant.
2) In light of #1, it's surprizing that I've been married for almost 10 years. I have two sons, 8 and 4.
3) I wish Kev, Shot, and Spanky had their own TV show (edit: I've heard they do, but I don't mean THAT kind of show... I meant comedy!)
4) I once tore my hamstring doing the splits playing hockey (goaltender) and couldn't walk for a month. That was after I figured I didn't need to stretch to play ball hockey - after all, I was used to ice hockey.... I was wrong. I did make an awesome save though.
5) Guinness.

...

6) I write music. I've played drums for 20 years, and also sing and play guitar.

Last edited by Ball Bearing Turbo, Mon 5 May 2008, 19:35.

Both.

Math wise this is very simple, and it works in real life and also in LFS for the same reasons.

Think about it:
For your vehicle to get a move on, there has to be a torque generated at the axles of the driven wheels. Though really, most people forget about the fact that the torque at the axles is not just a product of the engine's output, but rather it's a product (even in the mathematical sense) of the entire drivetrain. If I wasn't a lazy SOB I would post some numbers about wheel torque in different gears vs engine output etc, but the concept is straight foward enough.

Wheel torque is directly related to engine torque BY the gear ratios in between the said engine and wheels. The implications of that are what don't occur to everyone right off the bat.

Cookies!

disclaimer: I do not condone the ingestion of illegal substances / materials / other forms of matter such as plasma etc, blah blah blah.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Never touched the stuff, nor do I intend on it.

Maybe that's why I'm so damn happy and helpful?

You misunderstood, I meant that noone who seeks pot in BC doesn't find it within seconds!

If it was legal and regulated, I'd probably still have a little now & then. It's a lot less of a menace to society than booze, that's for certain - yet most people don't think twice that you can head to the liquor store and load up all you want.

They should've already been high & thus happy
You can't tell me anyone ever inadvertantly "runs dry" in BC!